From: jgrant@hq.walldata.com Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk.moderated Subject: Faked autopsy material? Approved: jmcadams@netcom.com Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 242 NNTP-Posting-Host: 7553.walldata.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) By and large the theories which posit a CIA/US intelligence role in the assassination of JFK represent a massive exercise in the fallacy known as question-begging. To beg a question is to assume in the premise what one would demonstrate in the conclusion. Conclusion: Therefore, the CIA murdered Kennedy. Premise: The CIA murdered Kennedy, therefore [fill in the blank] Nowhere is this more obvious than in the endless charges of evidence fakery. There is no chance of convincing the committed conspirati that all of this evidence fakery is an illusion. But perhaps you "lurkers" out there, tired of the endless ad hominem attacks in this forum, might want to look at an example of what happens when disinterested professionals examine a particular claim of evidence fakery. You can then judge for yourselves. The evidence in question: the autopsy photographs and x-rays. (Keep in mind the following typical counter-arguments: 1. The CIA murdered JFK; therefore all the so-called "experts" are lying. 2. The CIA murdered JFK, therefore the forgeries were done so cleverly that they are undetectable.) Following the assassination and even through the life of the Warren Commission and beyond, valid questions about the autopsy conclusions were raised. For various reasons, it became clear that independent review of the autopsy materials was needed. But where were these materials? Dark rumors were flying around. The photos and x-rays were gone! We would never know the truth about JFK's wounds. The conspirators, knowing this material would refute the claims of the WC, destroyed the evidence. It was vital that this material be located and examined by qualified doctors to find out how JFK died. On October 31, 1966, the Kennedy family transferred the photos and x-rays of the late President to the custody of the National Archives. A "deed of gift" was executed that effectively restricted access to these materials to serious and appropriately trained medical investigators and to government panels. In other words, we who believed the autopsy documentation had been stolen by the conspirators were wrong. The Kennedy family had control all the time. [Parenthetically, I would maintain that those of us who assert that the Kennedy family should never have been given ownership of what should have been public records are still correct. The "deed of gift" was challenged in court by Dr. John Nichols. Nichols lost. I wonder if it isn't time for a new challenge? It is hard to believe that the American public cannot wrest ownership of the material. It is also hard for me to believe that the issue could not be settled dispositively once and for all by forcing the disinternment and examination of JFK's body.] Anyway, shortly after this accession, the 3 prosectors, the radiologist who took the x-rays, and the medical photographer who took the photos went to the Archives to review the material. They agreed unanimously that the photos and x-rays turned over by the Kennedys accurately depicted JKF's wounds and were the authentic x-rays and photos exposed on the night of the autopsy. Until the House Select Committee on Assassinations looked into this issue in 1977-1978 no further authentication was attempted. In the meantime, a growing number of forensic pathologists and other qualified medical investigators were granted access to the material. They agreed unamimously: JFK was shot twice and only twice from behind. They also unanimously agreed that the measurements made at autopsy by the prosectors were off, in some cases substantially so. (e.g., the entry into the back of JFK's head was about 4" higher than it was placed in the autopsy report) Nevertheless, none of the experts found any evidence that JFK was hit by shots from the front. Since the WC critics "knew" that JFK had been hit by at least one shot from the front, and since this "knowledge" was essentially immune to counter-evidence, the next logical step was to assert that the x-rays and photos had been faked. When the HSCA retained a panel of nine forensic pathologists to examine the x-rays and photos in an attempt to make a definitive determination as to the cause and manner of JFK's death, the claim of faked evidence was very much in the panel's mind. They asked that the material be examined to establish if it could reliably be used to definitively answer the questions about JFK's wounds. It is beyond the scope of this post to go into the claims that someone other than JFK is depicted in the autopsy photos and x-rays. Suffice it to say that this claim was also examined by experts retained by the House Forensic Panel (HFP) and the claim was shown to be false. The individual in the photos and x-rays is JFK and no other person. But what about the wounds? Was JFK shot from the front and was evidence of this shot somehow altered by the conspirators? The HFP's approach was to retain experts in forensic anthropolgy and odontology (to determine if the person depicted in the restricted materials was indeed JFK), photographic interpretation, forensic pathology and radiolgy. In addition, the HFP was able to identify all the people who were present in the autopsy room on the night of 11/22 - 11/23/63. The HFP determined that the following people were in the room: Dr. James Humes, Dr. J. Thornton Boswell, Dr. Pierre Finck (the prosectors), Admiral Calvin Galloway, Admiral George Burkley, M.D. (JFK's personal physician), Captain James Stover, John Stringer (medical photographer), Dr. James Ebersole (the radiologist who took the x-rays), Jan Rudnicki, Paul O'Conner, Jerrol Custer, James Jenkins, Edward Reed, James Metzler, Dr. David Osborne, Gen. Godfrey McHugh, Dr. Gregory Cross, General Phillip Wehle, Chester Boyers, Dr. George Bakeman, Secret Service Agents Roy Kellerman, Bill Greer, and John O'Leary, Richard Lipsey, Samual Bird, Floyd Riebe, and FBI agents Francis O'Neill and James Sibert. In addition, 4 employees of Gawler's Funeral Home were present following the autopsy: John Van Haeson, Edwin Stoble, Thomas Robinson, and "Mr. Hagen." The HFP set out to interview all of these people. I count 28, not including the Gawler's employees. Dr. George Bakeman could not be located. That leaves 27. The HFP claimed to have interviewed 26 of the people who were in the autopsy room and that that number represents all but one of those present. In either case, the HFP interviewed 26 people and concluded: "In disagreement with the observations of the Parkland doctors [as to the location of the head wound - jg] are the 26 people present at the autopsy. All of those interviewed who attended the autopsy corroborated the general location of the wounds as depicted in the photographs; none had differing accounts." (7HSCA37) One could quibble about what the HFP meant by "general location." Clearly, though, the HFP was satisfied that those present at the autopsy had no major problems with what the photos and x-rays depicted - although to be sure, conspiracy writers have repeatedly interviewed a few of the participants and their stories now are different than they were when the HFP talked with them. In either case, what about those photos and x-rays? Did the photographic and radiological experts concur with the assertions of forgery? Not even close. In testimony to the HSCA, Calvin McCamy said that he, Frank Scott, David Eisendrath, Bennett Sherman and "one of the professors at RIT" (1HSCA176) examined the photos and found no evidence whatsoever of forgery or alteration. Asked if it was possible that forgery could have escaped detection, McCamy replied: Yes, extremely unlikely. We have considered the possibilities of various photographic techniques that could have been used in a train of events to produce these photographs. Some of them are virtually impossible because of the stereoviewing. Others would be exceedingly difficult if not impossible. (1HSCA179) McCamy had previously explained the principles of stereoscopic viewing of the autopsy photos. Briefly, autopsy photographers tend to take more than one photo from each location, in case a photo does not turn out. John Stringer, the JFK autopsy photographer, followed this procedure. The result is a series of photographs taken of the same view from essentially identical locations. Pairs of such photographs can be viewed through a stereoscopic viewer. A 3D effect is achieved when the photos are viewed in this manner. The additional depth perception allows the pathologists to get a better view of the wounds and their relationship to body landmarks. For the purposes of detecting forgery, this method is foolproof. When 2 photos - particularly close-up photos which contain a great deal of detail - are viewed stereoscopically, even minute differences seem to literally "leap out" at the viewer. Is there a way to fool the stereoscopic viewer? According to Frank Scott: To successfully avoid detection of picture alteration requires taht each picture of a pair of pictures be altered identically, which is essentially impossible, particularly with a stereo pair *** Any nonidentical alteration of the pictures of a pair is readily noted when pairs are viewed stereoscopically or microscopically. (7HSCA40) And you have to keep doing this, photo pair after photo pair. And each alteration must be done with steroscopic viewing in mind. And with the hope that no one ever compares them non-stereoscopically under a microscope. (the HFP photo experts did this as well and still couldn't find any fakery) The following pairs were viewed: back of head (photos 42/43) top of head (32/33 and 34/37) skull defect (44/45) head from front right (26/28) back wound (38/39) anterior neck wound (40/41) As I say, forgeries on any of these 14 photos would have been detected without fail. No forgeries were detected. The only reasonable way out of this conundrum for conspiracy advocates is ad hominem: "Well, those were GOVERNMENT EXPERTS AND THEY LIED!" In fact, they were independent consultants with no ax to grind either way. And the photos are still in the archives, ready to be viewed stereoscopically by any of the various medical experts to have been granted access to the material. If the HFP's photo interpretation experts lied, one must ask why they would do so, given that they would infallibly be caught. As for the x-rays, aside from verifying that the x-rays were in fact taken with film made prior to the autopsy (they were), radiologist Dr. Gerald McDonnel examined both pre and post-mortem JFK x-rays for signs of differences and alterations. He found no evidence of suspicious image densities, no discontinuity of anatomic structures, no alteration of continuity of an abnormal pattern, he could not find any impossible pathologic processes, and he could not find any non-anatomic images. In short, he found no evidence whatsoever of any forgery. (7HSCA26) The HFP confirmed that the x-rays and photos matched; that is, they depicted the same damage to JFK. In short: those of you who follow what passes for arguments or debate in this forum (rather like stepping through the raindrops) might wonder how anyone could possibly be stupid enough to claim that JFK was shot twice and twice only, and that both shots came from behind. Well, the above is the sort of thing I find compelling, particularly as compared to the fairly unconvincing grounds of eyewitness testimony. I submit that the only way to involve another shooter or shooters in the assassination is to make claim after claim after claim of extraordinary evidence fakery. And when such claims are disproved, one must resort to ad hominem and ad-hocery. This is not an intellectually honest or scientifically respectable way to search for the truth. The best evidence is clear: 2 shots from behind. Joel Grant