From: dreitzes@aol.com (Dave Reitzes) Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk Subject: Judyth's original Usenet critics Date: 4 Aug 2004 16:58:04 -0400 Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 525 Approved: jmcadams@shell.core.com Message-ID: <20040804130443.13624.00002435@mb-m12.aol.com> Return-Path: NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.84.1.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.84.1.1 X-Trace: 4 Aug 2004 16:13:52 -0500, 166.84.1.1 An e-mail correspondent points out that Judyth was coming under fire long ago for her claims about her own so-called dog breed. I'm going to post some highlights, but the full threads can be viewed with these links: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=71nadt%24fp%241%40harvee.billerica.ma.us&rnum=10&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN%26scoring%3Dd http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=71k3d4%24jtc%40panix3.panix.com http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=18835-36657C4E-10%40newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522american%2520cream%2520dog%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=934266762.26367.0.pluto.d4ee365d%40news.demon.nl&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522american%2520cream%2520dog%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=Rpru4.1842%24iv2.52064%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=33&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522american%2Bcream%2522%2Bdog%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26start%3D30%26sa%3DN Note that Judyth's website was up no later than October 1998, while she claimed at one of her more recent websites that she had no Web access until the first draft of her book was completed in early to mid-1999 (see http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sboard.htm). ************************************** ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/10/28 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities [Reference to another website deleted.] You know, as bad as this advertisement is (it has no info in it at all), I'd like to share with your the WORST web site of all time...go take a look at http://www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/ Ann, Twzl & Sligo -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: Lisa Baird Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/10/28 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities Oh Ann this is TOO funny! [...] Lisa Baird -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/10/29 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities It is horrible isn't it?! There are BLACK American Creams?!?! THey are smart, healthy (save for the weird bone disease that they seem to get...) and ya can buy a Buhound and breed it to a Lab to make them?!? These people are worse than the Mi-Ki people. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: All breeds! Discussion Forums Date: 1998/11/02 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds >Ohhhh NOOoooooo! Not another fake breed...... The best is still the American Cream Web site. http://www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/ Oh boy!! -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Susan Mudgett aka little gator) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/03 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities The breed is allegedly named not for its color but because it is allegedly "the cream of the crop." Allegedly. Besides, who cares about color in a breed that has a rare mutation for ultrviolet reflective coats, and a wolf ring in the eye for emhanced night vision? The links they give seem unrelated to the descriptions of the links, so you may have missed these: http://www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/news.html Includes "Breeding Rules and Regulations"-including a rule that dogs may never be sold for less than $500 each, though in some cases they may be donated for less. [Reference to defunct site deleted.] -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/03 Message-ID: <71o0j5$11a@panix3.panix.com>#1/1 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities You forgot the best part....it is thought that they can read! OK...how can we nominate this site for the all time worst site award? IF there is such a thing, I want to submit it. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: diannes@u.washington.edu (Dianne Schoenberg) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/04 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities C'mon, y'all... none of you have mentioned one of MY favorite quotes on this web site: "An ACEY wife (we don't call them bitches) will refuse to mate with a male she does not want. She prefers a long-term relationship with a 'husband.'" I can just imagine introducing my new American Cream to my doggy friends by saying "Here's my new 'wife', Fifi." Yeah, right. You've also got to love the fact that these supposedly defect-free dogs are listed in neither the OFA or CERF databases. Dianne -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: jubileepbg@aol.com (Jubileepbg) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/04 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities I haven't figured this "totally healthy, defect free" claim out yet since the dogs used in the "recipe" to create these magnificent "Creams" are all well known to have genetic defects. Guess they've never heard of recessive or polygenic traits. Gee, if the gene pool is soooo "clean", where did the brittle bone disease come from? Sheila & The Choir -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/04 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities And did you note the slightly hysterical stuff about seizures? -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: jubileepbg@aol.com (Jubileepbg) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/05 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities Yep, sure did. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/04 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities You know, there's so much that's down right awful at that site, ya just don't know where to start! >You've also got to love the fact that these supposedly defect-free >dogs are listed in neither the OFA or CERF databases. Well, they're defect free!!! Why would they need testing? :) -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: Bullmarket@n0-spam-thanks.0rg (Bullmarket ) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/08 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities Is there even the faintest possibility that this is all a joke? (pleasepleaseplease...) After all, I got irate email from some one who thought that http://www.frenchbulldog.org/DDO was a *real* site - and the sarcasm on this page is laid on so thick you have to wear hip boots to wade through it. Of course, maybe I'm just being overly optimistic here... Carol -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/11/08 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities >Is there even the faintest possibility that this is all a joke? >(pleasepleaseplease...) Nope. I joined their mailing list. :) I asked them about obedience work. The web site says that Creamies are top notch workers. I'm always looking for a top notch worker, ya know? So I asked where they were trialed, so I can go watch. The response? What are obedience trials? No joke! They have it right on the web site that these dogs ARE trialed. So I explained what trials are, and quoted the web site. Then I get a response that they've been at many trials and that one dog got a score twice as high as the next highest dog: you do the math. If Creamie got a 180, does this mean that the next highest dog got a 90? Why don't I believe this one?? -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: khertzbe@mach1.wlu.ca (Kathryn Hertzberger) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/10/29 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities Oh my doG! If I could make an ASCII rendition of me sitting here with my jaw on the floor, I would. I am *so* appalled by that site, I don't even know where to start. I was all set to send them a nasty email, but then decided not to, because 1) I didn't want to give them the satisfaction of knowing I looked and 2) what is the point? However, as a owner/lover/breeder of Labrador Retrievers, I cannot be more vehemently opposed to any Tom, Dick or Henry crossbreeding them with Buhunds and Aussies to create this "ACEY" piece of cr*p. Excuse my language. Is this the same lady who was touting the Mi-Ki breed a while back? Shaking my head in disgust, Kathryn -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: algreen@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together) Subject: Re: Puppies for sale Date: 1998/10/29 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.activities Oh, don't send them mail. I think that it's a good site to send people to, to show them how bad a person can be. >Is this the same lady who was touting the Mi-Ki breed a while back? Nope. Amazing, no? -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: tmckc@webtv.net (Toni) Subject: Another scam breed..... Date: 1998/12/02 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds Ok, folks-- what do you get when you cross a Norwegian Buhund with a Lab or an Australian Shepherd? An American Cream!! They are the most perfect dog in the world (cream RISES to the top) and are free of any congenital health problems. Not only are they smarter, faster, and better looking.... you can make your own! Find the recipe for creating your own American Cream Dog, as well as loads of other assorted horsehockey at The AMERICAN CREAM DOG -- POSSIBLY WORLD'S MOST INTELLIGENT & BEST ALL-AROUND DOG BREED! www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/ yes, I seem to have way too much time on my hands today...... -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: rigertas@abel.math.luc.edu (Natalie Rigertas) Subject: Re: Another scam breed..... Date: 1998/12/03 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds this site even gives you directions on how to create the breed. Plus, it tells you to do this: b) breed the buhund to a certified Guide, Hearing ear, Obedience rated, or Therapy or Search and Rescue certified Yellow (preferred) or black LABRADOR RETRIEVER OF EXCELLENT CONDITION with NO DEFECTS in family history(must have Vet certificates on parents)OR Never mind that certified guide dogs or any kind of service dog is neutered before given to its new owner. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: chriskoz@netcom.com (Chris Kosmakos) Subject: Re: Another scam breed..... Date: 1998/12/04 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds Gee, that seems like a minor obstacle for a "breed" that is supposedly able to be taught to read! Lynn K. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: Jana Subject: Re: Another scam breed..... Date: 1998/12/04 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds I must be lactose intolerant - this site made me ill :P Jana -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: "lisa" Subject: What is this?? Date: 1999/08/09 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds http://www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/ What is this?? -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: CrisW@ix.netcom.com (Cris Waller) Subject: Re: What is this?? Date: 1999/08/10 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds >http://www.angelfire.com/hi/avary/ > >What is this?? A mutt. You might check Dejanews for a past discussion we had of this site. It's one of the weirdest in the world.... Cris Waller -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: "Tricia" Subject: Re: What is this?? Date: 1999/08/10 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds "The American Cream Dog, possibly the world's most intelligent dog" 'S ok Lisa, I'm working on The European Coffee Dog right now. In a couple of years you'll be able to order a Cappuccino! -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: dogstar716@aol.com (DogStar716) Subject: Re: What is this?? Date: 1999/08/10 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds Oh geez, I saw a website about this most intelligent dog about a year ago... I can't remember much about it except I think they claimed that the dog could not only housebreak itself, but could also do your taxes ;) -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: "Gary & lois Edwards" Subject: Re: What is this?? Date: 1999/08/10 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds I would hate to have to explain to the IRS about the "Milk Bone Deduction". Lois E. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: "The Carrolls" Subject: Re: What is this?? Date: 1999/08/11 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds Ooh! Ooh! Me first! If he can do taxes, he's gotta be able to do Accounting homework! ~Emily -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: csarge2@aol.com (CSarge2) Subject: American Cream Date: 2000/02/28 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds Quite a while ago their was a link posted for this "rare"(read scam) breed of dog. There was a website. I want to show this website to a friend(she doesn't belive me that this scam exists). Does anyone know where it is? I tried doing a search for American Cream, but all I found where horses and cats. thanks, Cheryl -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: "Toni" Subject: Re: American Cream Date: 2000/02/28 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds My old link no longer works....hopefully they've faded back into the woodwork. -------------------------- ---------------------------- From: csarge2@aol.com (CSarge2) Subject: Re: American Cream Date: 2000/02/28 Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds Dare we hope they quit?? Maybe why I couldn't find anything on the search. thanks again. -------------------------- Dave Perpetual Starlight: Original fiction, music and more http://www.reitzes.com JFK Online: John F. Kennedy assassination http://www.jfk-online.com