From: Martin Shackelford Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk Subject: Re: Judyth Vary Baker - what's the story? Date: 8 Jul 2003 09:35:36 -0400 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 88 Approved: jmcadams@shell.core.com Message-ID: <3F0A5C5D.6060302@concentric.net> References: <3F08C7EE.6040709@concentric.net> <20030707113208.19729.00000448@mb-m28.aol.com> <945b9736.0307071956.cfa8290@posting.google.com> Return-Path: X-Original-To: jmcadams@panix.com Errors-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.84.1.2 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.84.1.2 X-Trace: 8 Jul 2003 08:43:45 -0500, 166.84.1.2 Peter, This is a fair summary, as opposed to much of what has been posted on this subject, nor would I expect you to be convinced until the evidence is available to evaluate. As will be detailed in the book, at least three witnesses put Oswald and Judyth together outside of work; others recall details at the Reily Co. Her temporary residence in Holland is not surprising, considering the amount of harassment, and its escalation, to which she was subjected as time went on, including: --a friend's home filled with piles of excrement, requiring the family to move out of the house. --a white van which began to show up wherever Judyth was, and which was seen (and identified as the same van each time) by neighbors. --firing from a teaching job as a result of a campaign organized by an FBI employee who didn't want their child taught by "a friend of Lee Harvey Oswald." Note no "alleged" there. --ransacking of Judyth's home and disappearance of some Oswald-related materials (fortunately only copies). These are a few examples--the list grew quite long eventually, and also included apparent tampering with her computer. I say this knowing that McAdams next predictable post will demand notarized affidavits from witnesses to each of these statements. A laugh a minute, that man. The situation will be "cleared up" by publication of the book--and further information on that will be posted at the appropriate time. As for your comment that "I find it hard to believe that Oswald would risk leaving the country given his background, as the US authorities might not have let him back in," you seem to have forgotten his trip to Mexico City. It would have been even easier to travel to Canada without fuss in 1963. Martin Peter R. Whitmey wrote: > jleyden900@aol.com (JLeyden900) wrote in message news:<20030707113208.19729.00000448@mb-m28.aol.com>... > >>>Subject: Re: Judyth Vary Baker - what's the story? >>>From: Martin Shackelford mshack@concentric.net >>>Date: 07/06/2003 9:20 PM Eastern >> >> >> >>>Amazing--it took a whole day for you to jump in. Such restraint!! >>> >>>Martin >> >>Oh, I don't really care about Judyth anymore. I had her nailed after reading >>one or two or her really bizarre e-mails. (My favorite was when she challenged >>Lifton to a sort-off of "Book Off.") Much more interesting to me now are your >>continuing efforts to excuse your amazing gullibility and just plain lack of >>judgment in this whole matter. It's why I seldom read anything you post >>anymore. >> >>JGL >> >>Shackelford wrote: >As I've noted here in the past, I've examined her >>documentation, and believe that she is telling the truth. >> >>Leyden responded: >And that certainly tells us a lot about you. > > >>>I corresponded with Judyth earlier this year and occasionally made >> > contact with both Howard and Martin in this regard. I have never been > persuaded that Judyth had an affair with Oswald, although she certainly > might have met him at work. I also am not convinced that Judyth had > regular contact with David Ferrie (in company with Oswald over lunch, > etc.). Given that we are closing in on the 40th anniversary of the > assassination, it does appear odd that Judyth would chose to leave the > U.S. for Holland, although presumably she needed a rest and some > separation from the subject. Certainly with instant communications > available everywhere, it isn't necessary to remain in one location while > working on a book. However, if such a book is in the works and presumably > will be published soon (possibly self-published?), I would think that > Judyth would want to return to the US soon in order to promote it, unless > she genuinely fears for her safety. I think it's time that either Judyth > or Howard clear up the situation once and for all, given that Judyth is > making some major allegations, especially in linking Oswald to Ferrie (she > claimed to me that they travelled to Toronto in June, 1963, which is not > mentioned in a manuscript sent to me by Howard earlier in the year. I > find it hard to believe that Oswald would risk leaving the country given > his background, as the US authorities might not have let him back in.) > -Peter >