The testimony of Marvin E. Hall was taken at 3:10 p.m., on July 13, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Sam Kelley, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.
Mr. HUBERT. This is the deposition of Mr. Marvin E. Hall. Mr Hall, my name is Leon D. Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission.
Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130 dated November 29, 1963, and the joint resolution of Congress No. 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by the President's Commission in conformance with that Executive order and the joint resolution, I have been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you. I say to you now that the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relevant to the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey Oswald.
In particular as to you, Mr. Hall, the nature of the inquiry today is to determine what facts you know about the death of Oswald, and any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry. Now Mr. Hall, you appear today, I


believe, by virtue of a specific request made by a letter addressed to you by Mr. J. Lee Rankin, general counsel, of the staff of the President's Commission. I understand that you received that letter last Friday, July 10, is that correct?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you stand and raise your right hand? Do you solemly swear that the testimony you are about to give in this matter will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. HALL. I do.
Mr. HUBERT. Will you please state your full name, please, sir?
Mr. HALL. Marvin E. Hall.
Mr. HUBERT. I understand that while that is your full name, you are generally known by the name of Bert Hall, B-e-r-t?
Mr. HALL. That's right; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Which is sort of an official nickname?
Mr. HALL. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. Where do you live?
Mr. HALL. 4112 Sun Valley.
Mr. HUBERT. How old are you?
Mr. HALL. Forty-three.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your occupation now?
Mr. HALL. City manager of Armored Motor Service in Dallas, Tex.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the same occupation that you had on November 24, 1963?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long have you been connected with that company?
Mr. HALL. Seven years. The reason I hesitate, I am also vice president of the company, but that is not really the main function here in Dallas.
Mr. HUBERT. As manager of the company, do you have occasion to actually drive the vehicles that are used by the company? Did you often do so prior to November 24? Had you done so frequently?
Mr. HALL. Not frequently; as manager of the company, it is our obligation to make sure all our vehicles are in running order. We test drive them, periodically, because we go out on trips with the men. The capacity of driving a vehicle is part of knowing what is going on.
Mr. HUBERT. Prior to the time you became manager, were you connected with the company as a driver?
Mr. HALL. No; as a salesman.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you were interviewed by the FBI on June 24, 1964, the FBI agents interviewing you being Mr. W. James Wood and Manning Clements. I have, heretofore, a few minutes ago, handed to you a report by those two FBI agents of their interview with you. For the purpose of identification, I have marked the document, which consists of four pages, on the first page as follows, to wit: "Dallas, Texas, July 13, 1964, Exhibit No. 1, deposition of Bert Hall." Under which I have signed my name, and I have placed my initials on the succeeding three pages in the lower right-hand corner of each page. I think you have had an opportunity, have you not, sir, to read this 4-page document now marked as Exhibit No. 1?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. I ask you if this document is correct, or whether you desire to make any corrections or modifications or additions to this document?
Mr. HALL. There are minor adjustments to it; sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now you have called my attention to the fourth paragraph on page 1 of that document, which describes Ed Dietrich as assistant crew chief. What comment have you to make as to that statement?
Mr. HALL. Only that he is crew chief; and I may have been misunderstood by the two men on that.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he crew chief on November 24?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. So that actually the word "Assistant" should be deleted?
Mr. HALL, That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. Now I see no marks on page 2, and I assume that you have no comment to make other than that it is correct?
Mr. HALL. Correct.


Mr. HUBERT. Now I turn to page 3, and in the second paragraph you have a mark with reference to the first sentence. I ask you what comment you have to make about that first sentence, which begins with the words "Shortly after" and ends with the words "with a shotgun"?
Mr. HALL. Only that the sentence is worded "A police officer who at this time Hall never knew...", and I merely point out that I met the man that morning, and knew his name at that moment, but have forgotten what it was as of this time.
Mr. HUBERT. But you have no doubt about his identity as a police officer?
Mr. HALL. Definitely not.
Mr. HUBERT. He was in uniform?
Mr. HALL. Definitely.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any other comments to make about that sentence?
Mr. HALL. I remember seeing he was armed with a shotgun, and I am not positive whether the shotgun was his or was a part of the equipment in the truck, since we do have a shotgun in a bracket alongside the seat he occupied.
Mr. HUBERT. On which side of the seat he occupied is that gun bracket placed?
Mr. HALL. Right side.
Mr. HUBERT. On his right side, so that when getting into the seat he was sitting in, he would have to cross over or climb over the bracket, as it were?
Mr. HALL. Not really.
Mr. HUBERT. Now you say he had a shotgun in his hand. You used the words "armed with a shotgun" and you said you weren't sure it was the shotgun that normally comes with the truck or one which he brought himself. I take it, therefore, that you saw him with the shotgun in his hand?
Mr. HALL. I believe so; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You don't know whether the normal or regular shotgun that normally goes along with the truck was in the bracket as well as the one that he had in his hand?
Mr. HALL. I am not real sure. That is the normal thing to do. If you and I were to crawl into that seat with the purpose intended that we were sitting there for, we would have unbuckled the shotgun and sat there with it. It is in that handy a place.
Mr. HUBERT. But he did have a shotgun?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now I notice that on page 3, also, you have a mark next to the third paragraph, and I think that your comment was with reference to the first sentence of .that third paragraph beginning with the words "Hall said," and ending with the words "parked there." What comment have you to say there about that, sir?
Mr. HALL. The statement says that Hall recalls that Fleming and the patrolman with the shotgun were the only persons to enter or leave the garage through the Commerce Street entrance. I am a little vague, but I think Chief Batchelor also passed by my line of vision at that time. I do remember seeing Chief Batchelor and nodding to him.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, other than that, is the statement correct?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, to put it affirmatively then, other than the possibility that Chief Batchelor passed by, you do not think that anyone else did?
Mr. HALL. No, sir; that is correct.
Mr. HUBERT. Now I see no further marks, and I take it, therefore, that the rest of the statement which has been identified, or the report which has been identified as statement 1, is correct as modified?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now do you recall when you first got any notice whatsoever about this function that you ultimately performed on November 24?
Mr. HALL. Approximately 9:45 in the morning.
Mr. HUBERT. You fix that in what way; sir?
Mr. HALL. I fixed that because our Sunday school class was just commencing. I was going into the classroom that I normally would teach, when I received a call from the church office that I was wanted on the telephone.


Mr. HUBERT. What time was your school scheduled to begin?
Mr. HALL. 9:50.
Mr. HUBERT. 9:50?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Then you were going in at approximately 5 minutes before that?
Mr. HALL Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you actually reached the class yet?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; I was in the classroom itself.
Mr. HUBERT. But the class had not yet begun?
Mr. HALL. That's right.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you normally start on time?
Mr. HALL. Normally; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. This call came about how long before you would normally have started?
Mr. HALL. Five minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was the call from, did you say?
Mr. HALL. Mr. Fleming.
Mr. HUBERT. What is his first name?
Mr. HALL. Harold.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the nature of the call?
Mr. HALL. We were asked to provide a truck for Chief Batchelor as soon as possible.
Mr. HUBERT. That is Fleming told you that on the phone, is that correct?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you what the purpose for the use of the car would be?
Mr. HALL. Of this I am not real certain, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. How long was your telephone conversation with Fleming?
Mr. HALL. Approximately a minute.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you do then?
Mr. HALL. I sat for a moment trying to reconstruct the previous evenings arrangement to remember who would have keys to the terminal, since there are only two sets in existence. The most logical choice seemed to be Ed Dietrich and Don Goin. I called Ed Dietrich's home. He had just gone down to the corner. So I called Don Goin's home and told him to meet me down at the terminal.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you tell him what you wanted to meet him about?
Mr. HALL. I am not positive; sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he have a set of keys?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; he would have come anyway. It is fairly usual to call one of our people and say, "I will meet you at the terminal in a few minutes, we have a problem."
Mr. HUBERT. How long did you speak to Goin?
Mr. HALL. Approximately a minute. Then I called Ed Dietrich's home back and asked him to join us.
Mr. HUBERT. You got him on the second time?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time was that?
Mr. HALL. Approximately 10 o'clock.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you then immediately leave the church?
Mr. HALL. I think I called Harold Fleming back, and I assured him that we could produce and agreed to meet down at the terminal. When his call first came in, there was a little bit of doubt in my mind that I could reach anybody on a moment's notice, afraid that every man we have would be out of pocket as of Sunday morning.
Mr. HUBERT. So that after speaking to Dietrich, you then made a third phone call?
Mr. HALL. I talked to Fleming twice; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. About what time did you leave the church then?
Mr. HALL. There is a period of time of 30 minutes that I am not real positive. The time that the first call came in at 9:45--I feel reasonably sure that I was down at the terminal by 10:30. Exactly the time I left the church would be close to 10:05, because my wife had just started her Sunday school class.


Mr. HUBERT. What time did that begin?
Mr. HALL. 9:50; and I peeked into her room to quietly tell her to get home as best she could, that I had to go to work.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is the church located?
Mr. HALL. At the corner of Colorado and Turner in Oak Cliff.
Mr. HUBERT. Where is the terminal?
Mr. HALL. 1800 Leonard.
Mr. HUBERT. How did you drive?
Mr. HALL. About a 10-minute drive?
Mr. HUBERT. How did you go down?
Mr. HALL. In the car assigned to me.
Mr. HUBERT. I mean what route did you take?
Mr. HALL. Turner north to Greenbrier; Greenbrier east on Sylvan; Sylvan north to the Fort Worth cutoff; Fort Worth cutoff east on into town, proceeding up Commerce Street to Field; turning north on Field to Ross; and east to Ross to Leonard; north on Leonard to Flora. This is the corner the terminal is located. The reason that I feel fairly sure of that route is we are all creatures of habit, and that would be the way to go, especially in a hurry.
Mr. HUBERT. Were you driving faster than normal?
Mr. HALL. Not really.
Mr. HUBERT. So you think the trip took you about 10 minutes, you said?
Mr. HALL. Approximately; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. That would make the time of arrival at the terminal then about 10:15 or 10:20?
Mr. HALL. This could be so; yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When you got there, was anyone else there?
Mr. HALL. I believe I was the first.
Mr. HUBERT. Who got there next?
Mr. HALL. I think the order of arrival was me, Dietrich, Goin, Fleming.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us anything about the time intervals between their arrival after yours?
Mr. HALL. Not really; no, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you have stated that all four of you were there at the terminal, however, at 10:30?
Mr. HALL. Approximately so; yes, sir. I remember feeling quite proud of the quick assembly time on a normally off-duty time.
Mr. HUBERT. What occurred after the four of you were there? Do you remember whether there were any telephone calls to Chief Batchelor?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; I believe there were. I think Fleming called Chief Batchelor at least once.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the nature of that call?
Mr. HALL. I am not sure whether Fleming got a hold of Chief Batchelor or not. I think it was to determine if one of the smaller trucks would be acceptable.
Mr. HUBERT. What was decided upon. What actually happened?
Mr. HALL. The impression we received was that the larger truck would have to be the one used.
Mr. HUBERT. Did more than one truck go?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; I decided to have the smaller truck accompany the larger truck as a standby. This procedure we use in all cases of tension for double protection. We frequently send two vehicles when one would be sufficient to handle the load.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know when you left the terminal with the two trucks?
Mr. HALL. Approximately 10:50--10:45 or 10:50.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you estimate that between 15 and 20 minutes between the time all four of you were there until the two-vehicle convoy proceeded to the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now who was driving the larger truck?
Mr. HALL. I was, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Was anyone with you?
Mr. HALL. Mr. Fleming.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was driving the other truck, the small one?


Mr. HALL. Don Goin, I believe; sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Was Dietrich with him?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I gather from what you said, it was either Dietrich or Goin driving the other car?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; I feel pretty sure it was Goin.
Mr. HUBERT. Now how did you proceed from the terminal to the Dallas Police Department building?
Mr. HALL. We, in convoy fashion, the large truck leading the small truck, went south on Leonard to Ross, west on Ross to Pearl, south on Pearl to Main, west on Main to Harwood, south on Harwood to Commerce, east on Commerce just past the city hall basement entrance, and I then backed the large truck into the entranceway and indicated to the small truck to park just ahead of the passageway in reserve.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you been given any instructions to back in prior to leaving the terminal?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; we had. We had had that understanding.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, when you got to the Dallas Police, Commerce Street entrance, you did not wait for any further instructions, but immediately proceeded to back in?
Mr. HALL. That's right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Mr. Fleming or anyone else assist you in backing in by way of directions and signal, and so forth?
Mr. HALL. Yes; Mr. Fleming helped with the traffic control, and then remained at the rear of the truck for further instructions.
Mr. HUBERT. Now was that the first time that day you had been to the police department?
Mr. HALL. Oh, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did anyone of you, including yourself, have on a grayish or any other type of overcoat when you were at the police department?
Mr. HALL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever seen any pictures of Jack Ruby?
Mr. HALL Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I can tell by looking at you that you do not resemble Jack Ruby.
Mr. HALL. Thank you.
Mr. HUBERT. But I wanted you to express an opinion as to the other gentleman.
Mr. HALL. Definitely not. Goin and Dietrich were in uniform. Our standard uniform is khaki color, with .38 pistols at their side. Mr. Fleming was in a suit, and he is tall and rather thin. I would guess at least 6 inches taller than Mr. Ruby. There seems to be no resemblance.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice any TV mobile van units nearby there?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you or Mr. Fleming or Mr. Goin or Mr. Dietrich ever approach any of those units, do you know?
Mr. HALL. For no reason; no, sir. There was one parked in the way.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, just describe it.
Mr. HALL. One parked at the entrance to my right. As I pulled past the entrance and backed in, there was a TV camera stationed on top of a truck approximately here.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, between you and Harwood Street?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Almost up to the Commerce entrance?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; there were a number of people, onlookers. All of them had been regimented over on the other side of the street, not any closer to the city hall than the sidewalk, to the far side of Commerce. There were approximately 50 or so people over there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see anybody on the Main Street side of Commerce? That is to say, in the area of the sidewalk between the mobile units and the building itself?
Mr. HALL. No; as we passed the Main Street side of the city hall, we were quite intent in watching the traffic and people and in getting our truck into proper position on the other side of the building, so we didn't observe anything.


Mr. HUBERT. Did you observe anyone at all go up to the window of any of the TV mobile units?
Mr. HALL. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. When your truck was placed on the ramp and arrived at a stationary position, would you describe what that position was relative to what part of the truck was inside the building and what part was outside the building?
Mr. HALL. My cab was even with the outside wall of the building, which would indicate that over half of the truck was indented into the building on a downward slant. The rear door of the truck would be 6 or 8 feet inside of the line formed by the outside wall of the building. Is that the answer?
Mr. HUBERT. Now you said that your cab, and therefore, you sitting in the driver's seat of the cab, was on a line even with the outside wall of the building?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. How far were you personally from the wall on your left? In other words, how much space was there between you and the wall?
Mr. HALL. Total of about 4 feet, I would imagine; sir. There is a little parapet there. You allow for the runningboard of my truck and the open door. Between my open door and the wall would be approximately 2 feet left over.
I haven't mentioned this; I think it is probably immaterial; a newsman walked up to my cab during this interval of waiting for something to happen and attempted to interview me, asking questions about the operation of the company, and due to the stress of the situation, I shut the door to avoid discussion.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, does that have a window?
Mr. HALL. It is a bulletproof glass and it is sealed.
Mr. HUBERT. What I am getting at is----
Mr. HALL. This is a minor thing, but they were quite annoying.
Mr. HUBERT. What did he do? Did he just go on after that?
Mr. HALL. He went on about his business.
Mr. HUBERT. He did not go into the building?
Mr. HALL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you know he was a newspaperman?
Mr. HALL He had a pad and a pencil and said he was.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen pictures of Jack Ruby?
Mr. HALL. This wasn't Jack Ruby.
Mr. HUBERT. It was not?
Mr. HALL. No; definitely not. This was a young kid.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see anybody else pass by going into the building to your left?
Mr. HALL. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You are quite certain that no one did?
Mr. HALL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you willing to state that no one could have without your seeing them?
Mr. HALL. It is so very unlikely.
Mr. HUBERT. I take it from the interval of hesitation that although your answer has been it is very unlikely, you are not willing to make the positive statement that nobody did?
Mr. HALL No; due to one thing. There was approximately 20 minutes of tension. There was quite a bit of activity in the area. I feel very sure that only the people designated passed my long vantage point.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say people designated, who do you mean?
Mr. HALL. Harold Fleming and the police officer and probably Chief Batchelor.
Mr. HUBERT. Now did you hear the shot fired?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. From the time that you backed your truck in until the time the shot was fired, did you move out of the van at all?
Mr. HALL No; the reason is that it was parked on a slant and I wanted to make darn sure we didn't roll or have any problem.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you keep your engine running?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir; definitely.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the reason why you didn't go down all the way?


Mr. HALL The height of the truck. The height of the passageway wouldn't permit our truck down in there.
Mr. HUBERT. Was any question raised as to whether the truck had sufficient power to climb up that ramp if it went all the way down?
Mr. HALL. Oh, no; it is a heavy Chevrolet truck. Strictly a matter of height.
Mr. HUBERT. How much space was there between the right-hand side of your truck and the wall on the Harwood Street side of the Commerce entrance?
Mr. HALL. Just enough for one man to pass.
Mr. HUBERT. That would be how much, a foot, or 2 feet?
Mr. HALL. Approximately 2 feet, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Now were there any police guards that you saw on either side of your truck during the time it was parked?
Mr. HALL. Sitting in the driver's seat looking out the left door to the rear, I could observe a police guard beyond the rear of the truck on the left side assumed there were police guards on the right side also, even though from my vantage point I couldn't see him.
Mr. HUBERT. But you did see a police guard to your left?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. In the space between the truck and the wall?
Mr. HALL. Behind the further back down, sir, not standing directly between the truck and the building; no.
Mr. HUBERT. Nor was there any, I take it then, at the very entrance between your truck and the wall?
Mr. HALL. Not stationed permanently at that spot to stand still; no, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, were there some moving?
Mr. HALL. I have to explain this hesitation. I am trying to recall. At the time, there was quite a bit of activity there. There were policemen moving, patrol type situation. Two on the corner, two out in the street directing traffic, one up at the door to the new part of the city hall, and one out on the sidewalk.
Mr. HUBERT. That was in front of your truck more or less?
Mr. HALL. Front and to the left; yes, sir. I am not just real positive, but one policeman may have gone through that passageway.
Mr. HUBERT. You did not see anybody in civilian clothes?
Mr. HALL. Oh, no; gosh, no. There is another reason for this. The concentration of newsmen was apparently already at their posts down in the basement when we got there.
Mr. HUBERT. How could you tell that?
Mr. HALL. When you back into an opening and look through your rear-view mirror, or also turn around and look down the left side of your truck, you see a concentration of people down in a rather dark basement area. There was excitement down there. We were on the outside.
Mr. HUBERT. How could you tell there was excitement? By movement, or sound?
Mr. HALL. By movement and noise. Am I being direct enough?
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any conversation with Mr. Fleming during any of this period?
Mr. HALL. Very minimal. "What is going on? Are they ready?"
Mr. HUBERT. Had any signal arrangement been made between you as to when to start off, and so forth?
Mr. HALL. Oh, no.
Mr. HUBERT. You were simply waiting instructions then as to what to do?
Mr. HALL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you been told as to what route to follow?
Mr. HALL. The policeman got into the cab and briefly said his understanding was that we would turn left and have an escort and would probably go on up to Central Express, over to Main, and down to the county courthouse by the most direct route. I feel that this was a little conjecture on his part and mine both.
Mr. HUBERT. How long after you had stopped in the final position of the truck did this policeman come and sit next to you?
Mr. HALL. Three to five minutes.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you fix that?
Mr. HALL. Strict estimate; it wasn't immediately. It wasn't toward the latter


part of the waiting period. It was in the early part of the waiting period, and I feel that 3 to 5 minutes was a fairly accurate estimate.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you converse with this gentleman?
Mr. HALL. Briefly; we shook hands, smiled at each other, and sat there.
Mr. HUBERT. He stayed there until after the shot was fired?
Mr. HALL. He stayed in the truck until we pulled over across the street and until after the ambulance had gone by.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you said he was in uniform?
Mr. HALL. Yes; definitely.
Mr. HUBERT. Were there any kind of records kept by your company concerning the movement of the trucks?
Mr. HALL. Normally; yes, sir. This Sunday morning adventure was such an unusual thing and participated in by two administrators of the company, that we made no formal truck report as you normally would when you come in off a run. We made an informal memo report, I did, and mailed it to our home office in Fort Worth, Monday morning, describing the situation, just for the file.
Mr. HUBERT. Did that report contain any reference to the various times that we have discussed? For example, today, and particularly the time of leaving the terminal and returning to the terminal?
Mr. HALL. No; it was just a rough informal memo to Mr. Mastin, the president of the organization, putting on paper what we had done.
Mr. HUBERT. Was any charge made to the city for this service?
Mr. HALL No, sir; we were available to the city for emergency use. Couldn't very well charge when we don't accomplish our mission.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, I think that is all I have; sir. I now would like to ask you this question so the record may be clear. There has been some informal discussion between you and me since you came in, but I believe, and I ask you whether you concur in this, that all that we discussed informally has been again discussed formally in the sense that it has been recorded?
Mr. HALL Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. All right, sir; I think that is all, and thank you very much indeed.

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